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Post by titan zero on Jan 22, 2007 11:51:31 GMT -5
so i can have it put onto a t-shirt and wear it to skool. it'll be funny cuz everyone sociates the word fascist with me. i think this one is good codshit.com/fascism.jpg
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Post by titan zero on Jan 22, 2007 11:57:05 GMT -5
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Post by Schmerg_The_Impaler on Jan 22, 2007 15:59:44 GMT -5
That's actually really funny... or you could use that Boogie Hitler picture.
Ohhh, or you could do a Sic Semper Tyrannus with a Nazi standing on a hippie!
I'm nonpartisan, by the way, so if anyone wanted ideas for a communist t-shirt, I'd give suggestions for that, too.
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Post by edelman on Jan 22, 2007 19:42:41 GMT -5
dude if i saw you with a nazi shirt on i would beat the everloving shizz. out of you and turn you into a bloody mass of neo-nazi feces. just saying. fascism sucks male reproductive organs.
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Post by edelman on Jan 22, 2007 19:44:39 GMT -5
and btw thats seriously not funny.
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Post by titan zero on Jan 22, 2007 21:54:29 GMT -5
i'm pretey shure it would be fairly funny. and i'm prety shure its not a nazi shirt
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Post by zim on Jan 23, 2007 17:16:57 GMT -5
Dude...Fascism isn't just Nazi's.
Fascism: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
Remember in WW2, the Italians were Fascists, as were the Japanese. Note that nowhere in that definition does it say NAZI anywhere. I'm not a Nazi, far from it, but not all Fascists are Nazi's, and making fun of a system of government can be funny. i liked the shirt. Also, not tryin to be offensive here, but making fun of the Nazi's, as long as you don't even TOUCH the holocaust, or else i'll help edelman hunt the ever-living shizz out of you becuase i have some friends who are Jewish. But making fun of Hitler's fine. (Anyone ever seen the Monty Python Sketch "Mr. Hilter?" But i reapet my earlier threat about the holocaust. That's not funny.
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Post by edelman on Jan 23, 2007 18:09:14 GMT -5
well im not saying dont do one about fascism. i dont care about that. but i think putting a shirt with a nazi on it or hitler or any other "dis is a test o' da standerdized warnin' system. If 'dis was a real case den we would all be runnin' an' screamin' an' da like. 'dat is all". on it isnt cool unless hes wearing a dress and getting Loophole DENIED! by satan.
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Post by titan zero on Jan 23, 2007 18:16:03 GMT -5
OMG its zim! and i said nothing about nazis.
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Post by Schmerg_The_Impaler on Jan 23, 2007 18:17:51 GMT -5
Oh my gosh... Zim's back! SOMEONE must have found a good necromancer to bring him back.
No, but seriously, I thought the t-shirt is funny... and it doesn't necessarily SUPPORT fascism. In fact, it MOCKS fascism. And I was making a joke when I said the thing about "Sic Semper Tyrannus" with Hitler standing on a hippie. My best friend is Jewish. (Really? I didn't know that. -Zim)
Oddly enough, extreme fascism bears a resemblance to extreme communism. (Communism is not supposed to have a supreme leader, but the leaders tend to ignore this. As a wise men once said, if men were angels, they wouldn't need government... and communism is rendered obsolete by human selfishness.) So really, both fascism and communism are about the importance of working together and group work and mob psychology and junk like that... so any extreme liberal can't be TOO critical of fascism any more than any extreme conservative can be critical of the communists. People who start out part of a commune end up part of a fascist regime.
By the way, I HAVE seen the Python sketch with "Hilter" and "Bimmler" and "Ron Vibbentrop" and the "Boncentration Bamps."
This is becoming quite the controversial board...
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Post by edelman on Jan 23, 2007 20:45:05 GMT -5
Ok ok I have to rant now...its not communism that is like fascism, its communist countries. Unfortunately the communist countries that do exist, and in fact communism as a whole, rely on the willingness of the people to accept a lower role and release all envy, greed, etc etc. However, since it relies on the trust system, and humanity as a whole are a bunch of monsters, the communist system could never be feasibly done. Communism in its ideal state is a group of people working together towards creating a utopia, or paradise in the future, where eventually no government would be needed. As you know, this hasn't happened. Instead power hungry villains have taken advantage of these situations, and turned those countries in police states. Fascism is the ideal that the perfect society existed in the past, and a tight control must be maintained to recreate that, also leading to a police state. I love the idea of Communism, but not the countries that claim to be communist. They are as bad as the countries that have been fascist. I will say this however, there has been, in my opinion, one utopian society. That was the city of Athens in its Golden Age. So as you can see I have spent much time contemplating this. Now as a word of advice to you titan, I would suggest not wearing a fascist shirt to skool, even if it does mock it. The chance of people misunderstanding it is far too great and I don't think anyone who hasn't rotted out their brains with crap like television and video games(which I love btw) will find it funny, but instead think you are a large male reproductive organ.
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Post by Schmerg_The_Impaler on Jan 23, 2007 21:09:02 GMT -5
Schmergo's Little Rant-y Post Exactly! That's pretty much the point I was trying to get across. Have you considered working in politics? I was saying that human greed renders communism impossible as a system of government... both the people (who don't really want to be "equal" in the long run) and especially those who rise as leaders. Sure, Utopian. For wealthy male Athenian-born landowners. For everyone else, it was like being a goldfish in a tank of happy and healthy piranhas. Especially the women. They had so few rights that they were like property! You being a guy, you probably forgot all about them, much like the Athenian men. (WARNING! HIGH FEMINIST CONTENT PROCEEDING FROM THIS POINT!) They got no education, were not allowed outside, could not vote, and were expected to become devoted wives and mothers by the age of FOURTEEN. Aka, Schmerg_The_Impaler's age. If I were alive during ancient Athens, I would NOT consider that a Utopia. I would consider it torture. Honestly, can you imagine me cleaning up after some grubby forty-year-old bloke and a houseful of babies? I think not. I'd be disguised as a dude and revolutionizing Athenian democracy. Oh, and let's not forget the slaves. Life wasn't so swell for them, either. (Though I suppose they could have been grateful not to be stuck in the Roman Empire or the U.S. of A.) You know, I agree with you there, actually. But the T-shirt is a funny idea.
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Post by titan zero on Jan 23, 2007 21:17:43 GMT -5
i usuly or as it currently is wear a jacket nomatter waht the temp so it really dosent matter. i just want to show it to some people who would tink it is funny.\
as for communisim.(WTF where did that come from?!) it doset work becasse the party has uncheked powere and is easley crrupted into a system of eleitest.
and there is no such thing as a golden age. you have just forgoten all the bas stuff. or you dont know about it
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Post by edelman on Jan 23, 2007 21:47:01 GMT -5
whats bas stuff? and there was a golden age of Athens. The time of Aristotle and Plato and the time right after the Acropolis was completed. The city was ruled by a council of citizens, it was unrivaled in power, it was wealthy, the people flourished, slavery didn't exist in the city, philosophy and culture reached a high point never seen before, and Greek colonies were established all throughout the Mediterranean. Maybe you don't know the facts? And I basically said the same thing about communism as you did. It doesn't work because of corruption within the system. I'm a socialist so I have read up on it alot. It's really interesting actually.
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Post by edelman on Jan 23, 2007 22:01:02 GMT -5
www.oldamericancentury.org/SAFE_STATE.jpgTheres a fascism picture i wouldnt mind you wearing. And you're right in some ways about the Golden Age thing Schmerg, but it wasn't like that always. My prime example being Plato's work Republic in which he outlines a perfect society for Athenians to pursue, a utopian world of equality and general pacifism. It means that at least some people were working towards equality for all and a peaceful future.
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